Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy opened up on the latest episode of “Pod Force One” about his dispute with tech mogul Elon Musk over the billionaire’s push to slash headcount in his department.
Duffy told The Post’s Miranda Devine in the new episode, out Wednesday, that he drew a red line at the prospect of firing so-called “safety-critical positions,” including air traffic controllers.
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“I get along well enough with Elon,” Duffy began. “He has a number of equities that come through DOT,” referring to Musk’s SpaceX and Tesla companies.
However, Duffy emphasized that “Elon — or no one else — is the Secretary. I am. The Senate confirmed me.”
“I think it might not have been intentional, might have been ham-handed [like] some of the requests that were made by [the Department of Government Efficiency], but my position was, we are not going to fire air traffic controllers.”
“Safety critical positions are not going to be fired within the Department of Transportation. We can do things more efficiently … but we are not going to fire air controllers. And so we had a little back and forth, [but] we got along very well after that. I think the papers made it a bigger deal than it was.”
Duffy told Devine the dispute with Musk took place before the Jan. 29 midair collision between a Black Hawk helicopter and a regional jet near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport which killed 67 people.
“Elon is an amazing innovator. He’s creative. And again, there’s a lot to learn from him, but I run this department, and again, I didn’t want someone on the outside trying to tell me to fire people,” the secretary explained. “Had I done that, had I actually fired controllers, oh, my—think what the liberal media would do to me. I would be slaughtered. We didn’t, thank God, but [this] is why, throughout government, you have to make sure that the secretaries are the ones who are driving the policy.”
Up until the end of May, Musk was the driving force behind the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), a cost-cutting initiative across the federal bureaucracy.
During that time, Musk clashed with numerous cabinet officials, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, with former Trump White House strategist Steve Bannon claiming last month that Musk shoulder-checked Bessent “like a rugby player.”
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In early June, Musk and Trump had an epic falling-out over the One Big Beautiful Bill Act with the South Africa-born billionaire warning the legislation was “utterly insane and destructive.”
The space and electric car guru had been incensed that the megabill was projected to dramatically increase the national deficit, venting that it “undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing.”
“I don’t know if Elon was concerned about being able to access critical minerals from China, and if he was angry at the president for going after China and putting tariffs on China that can affect the critical minerals that he makes batteries with. I don’t know if it was EV subsidies,” Duffy mused.
“I don’t know what happened internally, but I would tell you this, the president couldn’t be more generous and couldn’t have been nicer to him.”
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